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| Aikurushii_Lulu |
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| chocohi |
| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:05 pm |
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didn't you claim to be a bad singer? or was that someone else?
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well theres always pianofiles.com if your desperate, but its probably hard to get someone to send it to you. |
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| CCJc |
| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:19 pm |
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| Concinnity |
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| u know trhose websites that offer 'free' sheet music, because it's arranged by them, do u reckon they actually have permission tyo reproduce it? |
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| chocohi |
| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:20 pm |
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depends, its different for each company. some don't care if its just arranging into an easier or more technical, others do.
square music however, must have permission to arrange legally.
this also goes for performing too i think. |
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| Aikurushii_Lulu |
| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:08 pm |
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| I thought fan-made arrangements were legal if they weren't distributed for profit? |
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| Aikurushii_Lulu |
| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:08 am |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:51 am |
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chocohi wrote: square music however, must have permission to arrange legally.
lol, i think hero said it was a pain handling paperwork with them just to say its ok for so-n-so to be performed X_x;
Concinnity wrote: u know trhose websites that offer 'free' sheet music, because it's arranged by them, do u reckon they actually have permission tyo reproduce it?
chocohi's right, every country enforces and defines rules and regulations differently.
Broadly speaking, copyright on a creative work expires 70 years after the creator's death. This means that the works of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and many other composers are in the public domain - in principle, they may be copied and performed without restriction.
However, you may not normally copy or perform a sheet music edition which you can buy, because an editor also has a copyright on the edition, and an arranger may have, too. The copyright on the edition only expires when all these people have been dead for 70 years. Additional restrictions in the USA mean that only works published there prior to 1923 are in the public domain. Only sufficiently old editions fulfil these criteria, and are therefore in the public domain.
You can have a read of what kind of considerations the Americans consider
Code: § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use38
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.
Just use common sense before you go about publish/distributing music sheets from interpreted sources. And you should be fine  |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:58 am |
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not sure about this, but copyright is mainly on protecting the way you express an idea, the idea itself can't be copyrighted
for example is between "romeo and juliet" with "romeo + juliet" movie. the movie do not infrige any copyright, but because the movie has the same idea but different way of "expressing" the idea then it should be ok
not sure about music, what if you modify a music so that it sounds differently? sounds like it is more complicated than literature works |
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Concinnity wrote: u know trhose websites that offer 'free' sheet music, because it's arranged by them, do u reckon they actually have permission tyo reproduce it?
chocohi's right, every country enforces and defines rules and regulations differently.
Broadly speaking, copyright on a creative work expires 70 years after the creator's death. This means that the works of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and many other composers are in the public domain - in principle, they may be copied and performed without restriction.
However, you may not normally copy or perform a sheet music edition which you can buy, because an editor also has a copyright on the edition, and an arranger may have, too. The copyright on the edition only expires when all these people have been dead for 70 years. Additional restrictions in the USA mean that only works published there prior to 1923 are in the public domain. Only sufficiently old editions fulfil these criteria, and are therefore in the public domain.
You can have a read of what kind of considerations the Americans consider
Code: § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use38
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.
Just use common sense before you go about publish/distributing music sheets from interpreted sources. And you should be fine [/quote]
i thought it was 50 years.....
hmmmm.....so performance for busking........... or general profit performance...... is a no no....? |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:56 pm |
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In the case you proclaimed you have two options
First, you can go on ahead and remake whatever music piece you want, without altering originality of the idea, and you have asked permission from the publishers who have gain explicit permission from original authors.
Then they can literally come and file a lawsuit against you, giving you a warning, then if you havent done anything about it on your side. Be rest assuranced the lawyers would be knocking on your door.
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Write an explicit permission, of them acknowledging that you intend to do whatever with the material given terms and conditions. And that wont lead you into a hefty courtcase settlement.
So its really your responsibility.
If you go out all private and untracable and your only a small prawn for them, they wouldnt careless, like most of us pirates here =P
They'll mostly target large enough organisations that they can take them literally to court, anything you throw into the public domain and is tracable back to you.
Of course, play things smart, dont be traced if you want to break explicit copyright rules |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:36 am |
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but with these regulations around, in reality most record companies are not bothered to chase around "small guys" because they can't profit from those lawsuits anyway.
dun trust me on this, but i think this was the case during the mp3 crackdown back in 2002 or 2001? they only chased the top 10% sharers only who shares literally thousands of mp3 on napster or kazaa at that time |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:47 am |
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yup, there was a huge crackdown on all the illegal P2P sharing networks...
but tehre's still K++ and lite...... |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:32 am |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:00 am |
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that really IS weird.....
so u can perform but not copy.... i guess that's understandable.... but u'd need permission for churh songs anyway right? unless most of them are from composers more than 50 years since death.... |
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| so it is very easy to unintentionally to violate somebody else's copyright issue?, sounds really scary to me if that really happens |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:46 pm |
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yeah like hillsong for example. if u were to buy their sheet music, for eg off musicnotes, then i guess u'd additionally need permission from them to perform it at church..........
but do u tihnk that really it's kind of a flaw in the law. like i'm sure they know about it.
it's like mp3 ripping. if u own the cd, i guess u can rip it so u can listen to it on ur mp3, despite copying and reproduction of it. |
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| flaw in the law? of course! [i love how that rhymes hahaha ^_^"] But hey, you're safe until you're caught and with all our privacy laws, there isn't much they can do about what you do in the privacy of your own home. Its those big things like concerts or mass gathering you gotta be careful about...cos some of those copyright companies [if thats even what they're called] sometimes send around scouts to various events and if they're violating the copyright laws and such they get caught out and fined. And the fines are pretty hefty too -_-" |
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elatin wrote: flaw in the law? of course! [i love how that rhymes hahaha ^_^"] But hey, you're safe until you're caught and with all our privacy laws, there isn't much they can do about what you do in the privacy of your own home. Its those big things like concerts or mass gathering you gotta be careful about...cos some of those copyright companies [if thats even what they're called] sometimes send around scouts to various events and if they're violating the copyright laws and such they get caught out and fined. And the fines are pretty hefty too -_-"
thats exactly right to what i said earlier, its called "fair-use" and it becomes debatable in courts about whats right and whats wrong, just dont make a business out of it and you should be well hidden in the shadows |
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haha go eminence.
luckily, there's brains here...... |
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i'm going to be singing and playing piano to make a cd to send to my japanese friend 
i can't sing great but i like to sing alot 
