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Hombre

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:41 pm

Regular Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 55

anyone seen the trailer? it is absolutley bad ass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDiUG52ZyHQ

300 spartans vs 1,000,000 Persians

THIS IS SPARTA!!!

Tempest Kiro

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:33 pm

Seasoned Veteran Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 404 Location: Sydney

Looks pretty good, I'm so gonna watch!!!!
I can anticipate the gore already!!!! Very Happy

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Pixelwarrior

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:26 pm

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WOAH!!! Looks great... now all I have to figure out is how to get into an R rated movie.

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chocohi

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:15 pm

Forum Professional Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 688

i've been waiting for this movie for ages...ALMOST OUT!!! EEEEEEEEEEEE!!! can't wait, looks sooo awesome.

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Hombre

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:24 am

Regular Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 55

well pixel warrior you can dress like this dude and you can get anywhere

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mad1dude

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:43 am

Admin Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 502 Location: Sydney

OMG it's....Gunther!

-=SeRaPH=-

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:05 pm

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I soooooo wanna watch this.

Anyone wanna come watch this with me???

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dimix

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:01 pm

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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:03 am

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Leonids shield bash you for 150,000,000.
You die.

dimix

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:45 am

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Pixelwarrior

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:55 pm

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ONLY SPARTAN WOMEN GIVE BIRTH TO REAL MEN!

Very nice movie!

PS. The Oracle is hawt

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Vonbon

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:47 am

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-=SeRaPH=- wrote:

Leonids shield bash you for 150,000,000.
You die.

Clearly Leonidas is a haxface.
Netherspite enraged only hits me for 103,291.

Frank Miller ftw, can"t wait to see this...

aimlesswanderer

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:17 pm

Regular Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 63 Location: Sidanee

I haven't seen it, but from what I've read about the Greco-Persian Wars and what Horrywood normally does to 'historical' movies, I wouldn't expect much historical accuracy, though the movie may be good. I heard the Iranians (where the Persian heartland is located) are already protesting about how bad it makes them look-not surprising given the current regional situation.

chocohi

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:29 pm

Forum Professional Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 688

-=SeRaPH=- wrote:

I soooooo wanna watch this.

Anyone wanna come watch this with me???

i would love to, but you'll be quoting warcraft crap through the whole thing hahahaha =P

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sapphiro15

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:02 pm

Forum Addict Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 175

chocohi wrote:

-=SeRaPH=- wrote:

I soooooo wanna watch this.

Anyone wanna come watch this with me???

i would love to, but you'll be quoting warcraft crap through the whole thing hahahaha =P

OK... LETS JUST CALM DOWN... STAY CALM.... CALM.....

http://imax.com.au/films/film.asp?id=46

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

GROUP VIEWING ANYONE?!

squall3031

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:35 am

Regular Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 129

that leonidas guy's body is well built. Comparable to a pro-wrestler.
Very Happy

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Hombre

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:00 am

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why are you checking out his bod Neutral

Vonbon

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:57 pm

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aimlesswanderer wrote:

Perhaps you"re one of the people that totally missed the point...

This movie is based not on true historical events, but on a "graphic novel" (read: comic) by Frank Miller.

Its not meant to be a factual retelling of history.

Its meant to be seen as a movie with people killing other people to bring out those base animal instincts you didn"t know you had.

Fun for the whole family Smile

aimlesswanderer

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:27 pm

Regular Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 63 Location: Sidanee

Vonbon wrote:

aimlesswanderer wrote:

I know that, but since the source material is "based on historical events" (and people know that), and because people don't know anything about history, they have a tendency to believe what's in the movie... hence lots of Westerners who see it will probably have a less favourable view of them feral and evil people in the Middle East.

The trailers where the Spartans are raving about "freedom for all men" are unintentionally funny to someone who knows something about how ancient Sparta was actually governed.....

JellyfisH

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:39 pm

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BEST MOVIE EVER! I KID YOU NOT DEAR FRIENDS

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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:52 pm

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i wanna see this Very Happy

but.. do heads and arms fall off..

and if its the imax, a head flying towards you is .. gonna be Awwwesome (ERgh)

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dimix

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:49 pm

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I saw it at Imax.. the midnight session Laughing

Also im apparently decended from Spartans... so dont mess with me.
That. Or crappy Athenians. One of em.

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chocohi

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:48 pm

Forum Professional Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 688

fighting scenes are awesome. just AWESOME.

some bits are quite odd. WEIRD PERSIANS I TELL YA. like seriously, GOAT ON CRACK?!?!?! or was it a cow...

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Hombre

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:07 pm

Regular Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 55

This is pretty neat...........

http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/300spartans.php

Why is King Leonidas the only Spartan in the movie wearing a plumed helmet?
A quick look at the 300 Spartans history reveals that all of the Spartan soldiers had plumes on their helmets. 300 graphic novelist Frank Miller explained this by saying, "Another liberty I took was, they all had plumes, but I only gave a plume to Leonidas, to make him stand out and identify him as a king." Plumes were the red bands of horsehair that were affixed to the top of the helmets. There function was to make the warrior appear taller and more intimidating, while giving him a royal-like appearance. Plumes had very little practical function beyond that.

In what year did the Battle of Thermopylae take place?
Historians who study the 300 Spartans history are positive that the battle took place in 480 B.C. They only argue over whether it happened in August or mid-September of that year. See what the Battle of Thermopylae site looks like today.

Were the Spartans really 'good guys'?
The Spartans were not as 'good' as the movie portrays them to be. Greeks, including the Spartans, conquered neighboring areas to acquire more land and to build their slave labor force. Many of the Greek soldiers, who fought with the Spartan elite at the Battle of Thermopylae, were forced to fight because they were slaves. Frank Miller, author of the graphic novel 300, talked about the nature of the Spartans in an interview, "The Spartans were a paradoxical people. They were the biggest slave owners in Greece. But at the same time, Spartan women had an unusual level of rights. It's a paradox that they were a bunch of people who in many ways were fascist, but they were the bulwark against the fall of democracy. ... I didn't want to render Sparta in overly accurate terms, because ultimately I do want you to root for the Spartans. I couldn't show them being quite as cruel as they were. I made them as cruel as I thought a modern audience could stand."

Did the Spartans really discard their unfit offspring?

Yes. In the movie, we see a government official holding King Leonidas' (Gerard Butler) newborn son above a cliff. The official is inspecting the newborn to decide if it should be discarded. Greek historian Plutarch (46 A.D. - 127 A.D.) spoke of the Spartan practice of eugenics in his writings:
"If after examination the baby proved well-built and sturdy they [the state] instructed the father to bring it up, and assigned it one of the 9,000 lots of land. But if it was puny and deformed, they dispatched it to what was called 'the place of rejection', a precipitous spot by Mount Taygetus, considering it better both for itself and the state that the child should die if right from its birth it was poorly endowed for health or strength."
Plutarch also wrote about various other customs that the Spartans used to ensure their "good stock":
"If an older man with a young wife should take a liking to one of the well-bred young men and approve of him, he might well introduce him to her so as to fill her with noble sperm and then adopt the child as his own. Conversely, a respectable man who admired someone else's wife noted for her lovely children and her good sense, might gain the husband's permission to sleep with her -- thereby planting in fruitful soil, so to speak, and producing fine children who would be linked to fine ancestors by blood and family."
Did Spartan boys really leave home at the age of 7 for warrior training?
Yes. As shown in the film, on a young Spartan male's seventh birthday, he would leave home to begin an education and training regime known as the agoge. In addition to separation from one's family, the agoge involved cultivation of loyalty to one's group, loving mentorship, military training, hunting, dance and social preparation. The literal translation of agoge is 'raising'. The boys lived in groups (agelae, herds) under an older boy leader. They put their loyalty to their group above their family. Even after they were married, they would not eat dinner with their wives until they were 25 (formal agoge training ended at age 1 Cool

. Sons of the King were the only males exempt from the agoge.

Was Leonidas' right of passage really to kill a wolf in the woods?
No. A Spartan boy's right of passage was not to kill a wolf, it was to sneak out and murder a slave (Helot). If you were discovered, then you would be punished severely, not for taking the life of another human being, but rather for getting caught. Murdering a slave was meant to train you in the art of evasion.

Did Sparta go up against the Persians alone?
No. Perhaps the biggest problem with the movie 300 is that the film leaves the audience believing that the Spartans were the only Greek force to lead an attack against the Persians. The movie leaves out the decisive amphibious battle that took place in the straits adjacent to Thermopylae, where allied Greek fleets led by Athens held off the Persian fleets. Soon after, this Athenian led fleet saved Greece by destroying the Persian fleet during the Battle of Salamis, which marked the turning point in the war. Sparta and Athens working together also marked the beginning of Greece as a unified nation, instead of a collection of warring city-states. Prior to these battles, it was originally the Athenians who had asked Leonidas to help them defend against the Persians.

Was the Persian King Xerxes really bald and 9-feet-tall?
No. The real Persian King Xerxes had a beard and was much shorter. He never went to the front line at the Battle of Thermopylae as his character does in the movie 300. Actor Rodrigo Santoro portrays the 9-foot-tall Xerxes in the film. Rodrigo, who stars on ABC's Lost, is around 6'2". His height and voice were both altered for the role of the Persian King. Director Zack Snyder talked about Xerxes' exaggerated features in an interview, "...because we scaled him as we did, when his normal voice played, it was even stranger to me. He was out of scale of his voice, not that it wasn't commanding." The actor's actual voice is heard in the film, only with the pitch scaled down.

Did Leonidas really consult an Oracle to aid in his decision to go to battle?
Yes. King Leonidas consulted the Oracle at Delphi. Similar to the movie, the Oracle was located in a temple that had been erected over a small chasm. The Oracle was a woman considered to posses a certain prophetic wisdom, often spiritual in nature. She was consulted prior to all major undertakings such as wars, the founding of colonies, etc. She would usually babble something almost incoherent, and the elders (priests) would take her word. Like in the movie, she advised the Spartans that a king's death would save Greece. Some historians believe that this is why King Leonidas decided to stay and fight until death at the Battle of Thermopylae, instead of falling back to regroup.
Did the Persians really use charging elephants and rhinos at Thermopylae?
No. The Persians didn't bring any charging elephants or rhinos to the Battle of Thermopylae. This was a liberty taken by 300 author Frank Miller and the filmmakers, in order to add to the movie's elements of fantasy. The Persians did use horses in battle, as their army was twenty percent cavalry.

Is the movie's hunchbacked traitor Ephialtes based on a real person?
Yes. However, the real Greek traitor Ephialtes, a local shepard, was most likely not a horribly disfigured hunchback. Graphic novelist Frank Miller chose to alter Ephialtes' appearance in order to emphasize the practice of eugenics that is introduced early in the film. This is underscored in the movie when Ephialtes (Andrew Tiernan) tells King Leonidas that his family fled Sparta to avoid having to kill him, as it was Spartan policy to kill babies with birth defects. After Ephialtes requests to fight alongside the Spartans, Leonidas proves to him that his distorted physique prevents him from fitting into a Spartan hoplite battle formation. Rejected, Ephialtes goes to the Persian King Xerxes and informs him of a narrow passage that will lead the Persian soldiers behind the Greek army. In reality, there is no record of Ephialtes being rejected by the Spartan King Leonidas. Like other Greeks who helped Xerxes, Ephialtes most likely became a traitor out of fear or hope of reward. In the movie, we hear the deep-voiced Xerxes (Rodrigo Santoro) promise him women and wealth.

Are the Immortals based on a real Persian fighting unit?
Yes. The Immortals were Xerxes personal bodyguards. See an ancient rendering of the Immortals. They were an elite fighting unit. In the film, they wear shiny masks to hide their horrific faces, which is an element of fiction created by 300 author Frank Miller. In reality, the Immortals wrapped their faces in cloth that they could see through. The downfall of the Immortals was that they were lightly armored when compared to the Greek hoplites. Their shields were only made of wicker and were no match for the Spartan weapons. They were called the Immortals because they always maintained a strength of exactly 10,000 men. Whenever an Immortal was killed or wounded, he was immediately replaced by a new one; thus maintaining the cohesion of the unit.

Does 300 accurately represent Spartan women?
Yes. The movie presents a strong willed Queen Gorgo (Lena Headey), who advises her husband on both military and political matters. At one point in the film, a Persian messenger insults the Queen after she offers her input during a political discussion. The Persian felt that the Queen (a woman) should not speak on such matters. The film's depiction of the role of Spartan women is accurate. The relative freedom and empowerment of their women helped to further set the Spartans apart from other cultures. The empowerment of Spartan women could be compared to the freedoms of modern day American women versus the restricted roles of many present day Middle Eastern women.

Did Queen Gorgo really kill council member Theron?
No. This is an element of fiction added by the filmmakers to enhance the role of the Queen in the storyline. In an Entertainment Weekly interview, author of 300 Frank Miller stated his opposition to this alteration of his graphic novel, "At first I very much disagreed with it. My main comment was, 'This is a boys' movie. Let it be that.' The story itself, in historical terms, really didn't involve her all that much, from most accounts. But Zack had his reasons. He wanted to show that King Leonidas was fighting for something, by giving him a romantic aspect and by lingering in Sparta a little bit." In reality, Queen Gorgo's husband King Leonidas was her half uncle. Leonidas and Gorgo's father Cleomenes were paternal half-brothers.

Did Queen Gorgo really have an active role in the Spartan political arena?
Yes. Greek historian Herodotus mentions her several times in his writings. When she was only eight or nine-years old, she advises her father to not trust Aristagoras: "Father, you had better go away, or the stranger will corrupt you." Cleomenes follows her advice. She makes a second appearance in Herodotus' Histories when a message from Demaratos reaches Sparta: "When the message reached its destination, no one was able to guess the secret until, as I understand, Cleomenes' daughter, Gorgo, who was the wife of Leonidas, divined it and told the others that, if they scraped the wax off, they would find something written on the wood underneath. This was done; the message was revealed and read, and afterwards passed on to the other Greeks."

Perhaps most recognizable from the movie 300 are Queen Gorgo's quotes that appeared in the Greek historian Plutarch's writings:
"When asked by a woman from Attica, 'Why are you Spartan women the only ones who can rule men?', she said: 'Because we are also the only ones who give birth to men.'"
"On her husband Leonidas' departure for Thermopylae, while urging him to show himself worthy of Sparta, she asked what she should do. He said: 'Marry a good man and bear good children.'"

Did King Leonidas really utter catchphrases like, "Tonight we dine in Hell!!"?
Yes. At least that's what 300 Spartans history tells us. The catchphrases that fill the movie were taken from the writings of the Greek historians Herodotus, Plutarch, and other sources. True to history quotes from the movie include Leonidas' response on the first day of battle when Xerxes demands that the Greeks surrender their arms. Leonidas replies, "Come and get them." Generals and politicians throughout history have recycled this phrase. It is also the emblem of the Greek 1st Army Corps. The "we shall fight in the shade" line from the movie is based on a phrase that a Spartan soldier named Dienekes uttered, after he was informed that the Persian arrows would be so numerous as "to blot out the sun".

Were the Spartans very different from other Greeks?
Yes. The Spartans were much more focused on war and preparing for it. This is emphasized in the movie 300 when King Leonidas (Gerard Butler) asks several Arcadian soldiers to state their professions. Leonidas then turns to his own Spartan soldiers and asks them, "What is your profession men?" They reply with a loud warrior cry, indicating that they are soldiers by trade.

Who does Frank Miller see as being today's equivalent of Spartan soldiers?
In an Entertainment Weekly interview, graphic novelist Frank Miller addressed this by saying, "The closest comparison you can draw in terms of our own military today is to think of the red-caped Spartans as being like our special-ops forces. They're these almost superhuman characters with a tremendous warrior ethic, who were unquestionably the best fighters in Greece."

Is there a political message in director Zack Snyder's movie 300?
The movie depicts a small group of European freedom fighters holding off a large army of Iranian slaves. Although people might draw comparisons to modern day conflicts, Zack Snyder said that he did not intend to create the movie to be a commentary on current events, "Someone asked me, 'Is George Bush Leonidas or Xerxes?' I said, 'That's an awesome question.' The fact they asked tells me that this movie can mean one thing to one person and something totally different to another. I clearly didn't mean either. I was just trying to get Frank's book made into a movie."

Why were Iranians upset over the movie 300?
On Sunday March 11, 2007, just two days after 300's U.S. release, Iran's Fars News Agency reported that the Iranian government was not happy with the movie's depiction of their culture. Javad Shamqadri, an art advisor to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, charged that the movie was "part of a comprehensive U.S. psychological war aimed at Iranian culture", said the report. Shamqadri was quoted as saying, "Following the Islamic Revolution in Iran, Hollywood and cultural authorities in the U.S. initiated studies to figure out how to attack Iranian culture," adding, "Certainly, the recent movie is a product of such studies." The movie's effort would be fruitless, because "values in Iranian culture and the Islamic Revolution are too strongly seated to be damaged by such plans", said the Iranian official.

Why was the movie shot almost entirely on a soundstage?
300 director Zack Snyder answered this question during a Wired interview, "I wanted to get at the book as much as I could. Shooting outside, we couldn't control the skies and lighting to the extent I wanted to. And the landscapes are different than in real life. They don't exist in the real world, only in Frank Miller's imagination."

Does the director's real life son appear in the movie?
Yes. Director Zack Snyder's son Eli plays a young Leonidas during the punching scene early in the movie.

How do historians know so much about the Spartans and the Persians?
A significant amount of what historians know can be traced back to a Dorian Greek historian named Herodotus, who lived from 484 BC – 425 BC. He describes the Persian invasions of Greece in his collection of writings known as The Histories ( Read Herodotus' Histories online here). His writings were scrutinized in ancient times for their accuracy, since Herodotus often reported multiple accounts of an event and then picked the one that he felt was most probable. Despite his critics, Herodotus is considered the "father of history". In addition to Herodotus' Histories, historians have also learned a lot about the Spartans and the Persians from archaeological discoveries and various other writings.

Kyoshi

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:05 am

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hmm i found the movie ok...lol...it wasnt the best thing out there to me
some scenes i must admit were awesome...but some others went a bit too far..lol

overall id say that the movie was pretty good...buh i will only give it abt 6/10
=/...sorry to all those fans out there...lol xD

Minty

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:13 am

Regular Joined: 07 Aug 2006 Posts: 148 Location: Western Sydney pride.

Arrah ... just learned I were among the unwashed seeing advertising for a film named zoo and failing to make the connection.

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aimlesswanderer

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:51 pm

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Hombre wrote:

This is pretty neat...........

http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/300spartans.php

a good summary Hombre. Movies have only a very vague relationship to reality.... in that there are people in both.

FFichiban

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:40 pm

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