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| Selelvian |
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I'm gonna do something potentially controversial, and that is, actually suggest that EGX and ANIF2k5 had problems.
EGX and ANIF were both excellent, and this is in no way designed to be a criticism. I would just like to help them improve, by possibly listing what I perceived to be problems. Other people may not see it that way.
Let's start with EGX.
I'll acknowledge that the weather was terrible for such an event. Pouring rain tends to make people want to stay at home instead of go out and look at video game things.
However, there were a few problems.
Let's start with the actual expo. Possibly, part of the problem may have been the actual marketing. People were expecting a lot more from it, and when it failed to deliver anything close to expectations, there were disappointments. This is clearly evidenced by two things - the number of people who entered, and then left about five minutes after, and the people who asked for a refund.
My guess would have been content quality -- most people come to an expo expecting to see stuff they haven't seen before. However, when all you have is things that people have already seen, then interest tends to wane fairly quickly for those who are there for the technical experience. And if we're to be totally honest, everything at that expo was stuff that people had already seen.
The other point would have been content amount -- simply put, there wasn't enough interesting stuff. Once you've poked at a PSP once, written silly messages to your friends on the DS, lost to an Asian at Tekken 5, and been shot up all over in FEAR, then that's pretty much it.
The tournaments worked quite well at holding people once they actually got inside, but I think more than a few people were disappointed with how little stuff there was to look at / play with.
Perhaps one suggestion for the tournament : advertise prizes more openly. People are greedy. I'll be the first to admit it. But if they don't know what they're going to get, they're hardly likely to enter the tournament, even if the prizes are cool. And as I understand it, they were quite cool. Well done on that.
I also understand that there were sponsorship problems; that this was to be an event to prove to the larger gaming-industry companies that you were serious as to your intent.
Another random suggestion : I'm not sure how familiar you are with tech exhibitions, but if you want to see successful exhibitions, go see the Gartner or CeBIT exhibitions when they're being held at the Darling Harbour Exhibition centre. If nothing else, it's a good place to pick up a few tips (and see some cool stuff, if you're a tech geek like me).
Secondly, I was just an observer, but there were organisational problems. I know how fond computer gamers are of leaving work until the absolute last minute, but I submit that in the case of an exhibition, it's a terrible idea. By the time the exhibition opens, EVEYRONE should know clearly what their responsibilities are. Which is not to say that surprises and unplanned for events will happen -- this is what you need a clear 'chain of command' for. This must be established well in advance (i.e. not on the day itself).
On the whole, I think the exhibition went quite well for a first time. Everyone is expected to make mistakes, and as long as most everyone had fun, then it's all good. I certainly found it an educational experience. As long as we all learn from the mistakes that were made, then next time should be even better. Just don't pick a rainy day 
Oh, a last random thought. That day, there were so many more crew than viewers, it probably would have been a good idea to send a few out every now and then (yes, even into the rain) to point out the entrance. People had trouble finding it. I know I did.
Now ANIF. I must say, it was spectacular. There is nothing like a finely tuned orchestra playing music I love -- nothing  .
On the other hand, this event suffered from technical mishaps. Most irritatingly, they were technical mishaps that affected the orchestra's sounding great. If you poke around on the forums here, you'll probably notice that more than a few people have commented on the drums drowning out other instruments. Well, it's unfortunate, but very true. You seriously could barely hear the violins through the drums (in MGS), let alone distinguish a melody.
I submit that the whole percussion range was slightly overamped -- including the glockenspiel, which was irritating because it was just too loud during the very very dramatic One Winged Angel. Anyone who knows the song intimately knows of what I speak . If it's possible, maybe you should get a dedicated listener sitting in the middle of the hall (or maybe at the back) to tell you where your balance was going wrong.
A Night In Fantasia, on the whole, lived up to its name. I spent that night in a fantasy world .
Please, please, don't interpret this post as someone who's trying to shoot you down. I only want you people to get better -- to really be the best at what you do -- which is make people happy .
If these issues have been considered by the staff already, and plans in place to rectify the issues, then I am very grateful.
If not, then I would beg that you consider them, in order to make both events truly memorable for everyone involved -- staff and audience.
On the last note, you people -- every last one of you from Hiroaki down to the volunteers -- you were all brilliant. Everyone could see your enthusiasm for what you were doing. I wish you all the very best. |
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| Selelvian |
| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:45 pm |
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Damn I'm long winded  .
Sorry for having to make you read all that (if you read it). |
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| Aikurushii_Lulu |
| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:53 pm |
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| Nephtis |
| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:49 pm |
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Being the Melbourne rep for Eminence I can't speak on behalf of Eminence on either event, but I can say that in the least your comments are noted.
I actually told Hiro personally earlier about the MGS Theme/Believe drum issues, no one is going to sook more than I will about any problems with Tsubasa Chronicle music. He is aware of it at least, I didn't press the issue.
Eminence is a group for the audience, it's in our vision to provide the audience with something special, but to work for the fans. Constructive critism is always welcome, even if you think it's really stupid.
Personally I'd like to point out that EGX was a test event, and I'm pretty sure Eminence expects a lot of feedback and suggestions regarding it. I could be wrong, but that's how it seems. |
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| Concinnity |
| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:04 am |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:12 am |
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EGX was a test and yes sponsership was a b!*ch but never the less..you must credit them on doing something so risky haha
of course organisation is always...i repeat..ALWAYS messing the first couple of times..
hahaha i believe ur constructive critism all spoke what was within our heads |
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| Panjay |
| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:31 am |
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Constructive critisism, it may be a bit harsh, but the comments gatherd can be used to organise a better convention next time. However i was at EXG for most of the day, having fun playing the games and compititions. i only left when the evening comps strated and everyone was using the comps, psp's and DS's. It was a good event in itself, its just that people expected something from the tite Games Expo, they built up their expectations and ideas and so when they attended, they were disapointed. i think that if they had stayed their for a while they would have liked it. Still the reason they didnt have alot of things would be that many companies wouldnt even turn their attention to something so small. but its nice to see sony and nintendo take an initative, seeing what this expo might be like some day and supporting it to give it a little help along the way.
Only the drumming in MGS2 was bad, techinical problems will happen, beside that, eveything was peachy.
Dont get me wrong, critisisme is important because it is neccesary to see where you went wrong, otherwise how would you improve.
Mario piece----LOL funny |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:41 am |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:21 pm |
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[quote="-=SeRaPH=-"]Thanks a lot for the criticism and more so, your understanding (because a lot of other gamers didnt understand)
We understand these issues but there was not a lot of things we could do since this project was done in less than 50 days. We were lucky getting Vivendi and SCE's supposrt. [quote]
50 days? wow you that's an achievement ya know! well.... what technical thing are you guys talking about? i dun think there was any major one,  except.... the one that the conductor has to ask the technician? what was that about ? i think that always happen to all concerts anyway lucky no mobile phones ring during the concert!  good enough, so that means the CD quality will be great! |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:34 pm |
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wow, 50 days.... *claps hands* well done to eminence for being able to pull it all together so quickly, even if there were a few problems and mistakes, in the end... nothing majorly bad happened right? sorry, i didnt go to EGX so i can't really be one to speak...
but i did go to ANIF and i thought it was absolutely amazing, yes there was an inbalance in sound but seraph has already explained that. i know it's unprofessional but one big reason why i like eminence concerts apart from the excellent quality of music is the relaxed atmosphere of the it on the whole, for example when phillip needed to go "do some technical stuff" i thought it was really nice of him to tell the audience without just walking of, and when he had to tie his shoelace (LOL).
also, i greatly appreciate the eminence staff helping and talking to all of us here on the forum with anything... kind of makes me think what's going to happen when eminence gets even more well known.... |
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| kkfc01 |
| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:49 pm |
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transistor wrote: i dun think there was any major one, except.... the one that the conductor has to ask the technician? what was that about ?
the drummer couldn't hear anything with his headphones (i think!!) coz he wasn't wearing it during that particular piece and had to rely on the speaker |
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| CCJc |
| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:42 pm |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:51 pm |
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There is a mailing list ^^;
and well, *sigh* i suppose ppl dont bother with the news/announcement board much huh |
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| Kaka |
| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:55 pm |
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There is a mailing list for Eminence stuff somewhere...
I joined it because i was annoyed at missing events cos I didn't know they were on.... But I don't believe i got anything about EGX except for the volunteer round up email |
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| CCJc |
| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:59 pm |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:16 pm |
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lol
If you go to the Eminence site, to the Enquiries/Provide Feedback section and submit something... you can tick the little box that says you want to join the mailing list...
Otherwise, I have no idea how you can get onto it =S
Not even sure how I got into it.... |
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| transistor |
| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:43 pm |
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| they were asking for people who want to join mailing list back at ANIF05, well... i didn't join coz i thought this forum will be more informative and i check this forum more often than i check the emails |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:53 pm |
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Okay i was a volunteer there so i guess i'll say my point of view on the whole thing.
EGX was actually advertised quite a lot the day before at the city. I was one of the volunteers handing out flyers and i reckon half of townhall got a flyer though i cant be sure they all read it.
I do believe however that giving out flyers last minute is quite disorganised though i believe some people were handing out flyers in unis and stuff days before. The posters for ANIF2005 were quite effective and the many EGX posters i saw at the expo should have also been put up around the city.
Injregards to the organisation of EGX i would have to say it wasnt as organised as it should have been. I was one of the people organising gaming competitions and it was quite busy!! For a start half the time we didnt have enough volunteers and the other half the time we had computers sitting empty while people were waiting for thier turn!
The game master however did do a good job organising the competition match ups and after a while we did get used to it. We just needed some practice at how to use the equipment. I think we should have some kind of training day in the future. Just a suggestion =]
Also when it came to the Nintendo games barely any of us volunteers even knew how to play bomberman so we had no idea how to even organise the competition. We had to ask someone who came to play the game!
Besides the organisation problems that occured and i consider to be quite minor considering the fact that it was organised in 50 days i believe the event was quite successful as it was boht a rainy day and the first time. I cant believe people asked for refunds! Maybe next time they should stay longer to see the competitions and all the other fun stuff we had.
I was also quite amazed at the generosity of Sony and all the other sponsers for mamking EGX possible and giving it a go. Without them plus the staff the event would never have been possible.
As for ANIF i felt the whole event was wonderful! There were barely any mistakes. The atmosphere was so lively and filled with energy. I felt the drums were actually quite good. It was something different and i enjoyed it.
Good job on ANIF 2005 it was fabulous =) |
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| CCJc |
| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:53 pm |
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Kaka wrote: If you go to the Eminence site, to the Enquiries/Provide Feedback section and submit something... you can tick the little box that says you want to join the mailing list...
Otherwise, I have no idea how you can get onto it =S
Not even sure how I got into it....
hmm, the website titles should be changed abit, it isnt immediate, and i'd have to have time to explore to find out what lay beyond that link
and my apologies for being picky but ,enquiry sounds like asking a question, and feedback; from the description says what it means
thus i dont see a mailing list of "get notified of new news"
just my thoughts~ |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:18 pm |
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Yups, you're all right.
We'll be updating / improving the site too and believe me there will sooo be a mailing list section. A visible one.
Except, this will be done later. ^^; Busy period atm. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:34 am |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:22 pm |
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Just so people know, the mailing list idea was originally brought to attention by me since someone else raised the problem. At this stage you can only join it by commenting, so say 'I just want to join the mailing list' if that's the case.
We're working on it, but yeah, exam time at uni people!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:25 pm |
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Yup, I was a volunteer there as well.
I was at the front desk and out of the admissions, from memory, there were only 4 people asking for refunds, which isn't too bad. Considering 3 came it at one time and literally walked out in 15 seconds.
But I must agree, EGX didn't have new stuff. It was mostly 'old' stuff that people had already seen. I mean, the point of an expo is to show off new stuff. But like I said myself, it was the first time, and it was great! |
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at least i tried bomberman DS, even though i got trashed in the first 10 seconds of each round , for a first time expo, not bad you know....
btw i like the WoW figurine |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:25 pm |
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| hey guys, dun forget you guys managed to organize all of these in less 50 days! i would expect to have 3 months or more of preparation, so what you guys did were superb! |
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